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Submitted 5/7/2026, 7:55:34 AM · Completed 5/7/2026, 9:21:30 AM

5.5
pivot
The idea

Any thoughts on this solution for upgrading Windows 11 machines from 23h2 to 25h2?

Pain point
VMs fail to upgrade from Windows 11 23H2 to 25H2 due to TPM-related errors, requiring manual file manipulation and risking system instability.
Who has this problem
Sysadmins managing VMs with TPM requirements for Windows 11 upgrades
Contradiction (TRIZ)
Wants to upgrade VMs without reimaging but must manually edit system files and risk permission issues
Ideal final result
VMs upgrade seamlessly to 25H2 without manual intervention or system file modifications
Suggested solution
Implement virtual TPM (vTPM) in Hyper-V and Proxmox to bypass hardware TPM requirements, allowing clean upgrades without manual file edits.
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I had very few VMs that migrated normally from 23h2 to 25h2. In previous years, my VM workaround was to create an iso with Rufus which was only really disabling TPM and RAM requirements I think. I made the iso last year. This year however, the majority of my 23h2 VMs failed to upgrade to 25h2. They would appear normal but after the restart, there was usually a failure message, usually with migration data and safe os. For a physical machine, the logs would point to a driver usually. I had more bumps with physical machines but I was able to get those upgraded to 25h2. Nearly all the VMs gave me that error and refused to upgrade. I have VMs on both Hyper-V and Proxmox. Same behavior on both. I started attacking those more since that's all that's left to upgrade now. I feed logs into an AI chat. That said Windows was missing critical files on the installation side but I could see the files were present. After going down a rabbit hole with AI, I went back to googling. I found this post yesterday. https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1q5pai9/windows_11_upgrading_from_2324_h2_to_25h2_fails/ That points to this page. https://yourwindowsguide.com/2025/12/25h2-repair-install-failed.html#gsc.tab=0 The relevant part is this. Resolve the Windows 11 25H2 update error due to the TPM manifest Open/Extract the Windows 11 25H2 ISO file Open the ISO file and navigate to the Path - sources\Replacementmanifests folder. In that, delete the file \sources\replacementmanifests\tpmdriverwmi-replacement.man from the Windows installation media. On the affected system, we would instruct Windows not to try replacing the manifest from 25H2 ISO file. Concurrently, the file handling the manifest is \Windows\WinSxS\migration.xml. Take Ownership of the file as Step 1 (Steps are here if you need). Open the file using Notepad. The file would have a lot of <file></file> tags. Search for microsoft-windows-tpm-driver-wmi. There would be 2 entries. Delete both of them, as per the GIF. I tried a pure MS iso but ended up just using the Rufus iso again. I copy that to the local VM machine. Then unzip it there. In the source folder, the Replacementmanifests folder, delete the tpm file. And then on the VM, in C:\Windows\WinSxs, it's removing two entries for tpm in the migration xml file. That involves messing with ownership on that file and the winsxs folder until I can edit away those two tpm file entries and get it saved. I'm not 100% confident I'm restoring those permissions back to how they were afterward either. When I follow that workaround method, these VMs are able to upgrade. I've had success getting them on 25h2 on both Hyper-V and Proxmox now. I told my AI chat which freaked out and told me I shouldn't be doing that. These VMs aren't super critical, not production, and affect me more. I wanted to get them upgraded to 25h2 without having to reimage them. Reimaging them is an option, but I'd just rather not do that now. Since this appears to have worked, I'm thinking it buys me some time. Any thoughts on that workaround? It's avoiding updating or upgrading anything with tpm I believe. After the 25h2 upgrade, so far the VMs appear normal. I tried to put ownership and security permissions back on C:\Windows\WinSxS as close as I could to the original, but I'm not sure that's exactly like it was. I have TrustedInstaller as the owner again, as much as I can since applying inherited permissions errors out I think on every folder in WinSxS (but I was able to finally save that manifest xml file which was the goal). I don't think WinSxs even had an option for enabling or disabling inheritance until I took ownership over that xml file and folder. Any concerns with upgrading a machine that way? Any concerns about apparently not upgrading tpm? I did search for a minute yesterday about enablement packages. It looks like 23h2 to 25h2 is fine and possible as a full upgrade. For enablement packages (which I've never used), then you do need to go from 23h2 to 24h2, where you can use the enablement package to get to 25h2. However, for my VM situation, I couldn't even do a re-upgrade from 23h2 to 23h2. That also failed and failed with the same migrate data and safe os error messages. I'm thinking it's good enough. It's nothing production. If I need to reimage them at some point in the future, fine. Or, maybe for the next upgrade I need to use this same workflow. On the Hyper-V side, my understanding is VM secure boot and VM firmware is handled with normal server os updates. For Proxmox, I read something that needing VM firmware updated from the linux side, that it's just different that way. For my set ups, it may just be easier to blow Proxmox set ups away and start from scratch. There was a version 8 to version 9 change since I started using Proxmox, so starting on version 9 might be easier than messing with trying to upgrade 8 to 9. Just start clean. But for now, I'm wondering how critical not upgrading tpm on a 25h2 upgrade is. So far, it's the only I've found that actually got these VMs to actually do the upgrade. It was consistently not working. Now, with that no-tpm-upgrade tweak, it's consistently upgrading (or consistently enough. I think an older machine may have overheated during its upgrade attempt. So that gets a clean reimaging.).
TRIZ inventive level: 3/5· Principles: virtualization, segregation
Synthesis verdict
**Pivot**: The idea of creating a tool or guide to automate the process of upgrading Windows 11 VMs from 23H2 to 25H2 using the workaround described has some potential, but it requires significant modifications to address the security risks and compliance issues associated with bypassing TPM updates. The workaround's reliance on modifying system files and bypassing TPM checks may introduce security risks or compatibility issues in the future. However, the market exists, and the willingness to pay is implied by the labor saved. To pivot, the focus should be on developing a more secure and compliant solution that addresses the root cause of the upgrade failures rather than just bypassing them.

Strengths

  • - The workaround solves a concrete, recurring problem: avoiding full reimaging of dozens of VMs.
  • - The market exists, and the willingness to pay is implied by the labor saved.
  • - The technical complexity creates a monetization opportunity for a tool or service that simplifies the process for IT professionals.

Weaknesses

  • - The workaround's reliance on modifying system files and bypassing TPM checks may introduce security risks or compatibility issues in the future.
  • - The solution is not durable across future Windows updates, and there is no defensible IP or unique value proposition beyond convenience for a niche, non-production use case.
  • - Bypassing TPM updates for a quick fix severely compromises security and compliance, setting the stage for severe consequences within a year.

Best angle

Develop a more secure and compliant solution that addresses the root cause of the upgrade failures rather than just bypassing them, and focus on automation and trust-building to scale the solution.

Panel verdicts

Competition

nvidia/nemotron-3-nano-omni-30b-a3b-reasoning

4.0

“The workaround is a known manual fix, not a novel, durable differentiation.”

The core issue - TPM manifest mismatch during a 25H2 upgrade - is already addressed by multiple community guides (e.g., Reddit, yourwindowsguide) that instruct users to delete the tpmdriverwmi-replacement.man file and edit migration.xml. The proposed entrant merely packages this manual, error - prone process for Hyper - V and Proxmox VMs, adding steps like re - extracting the ISO and re - applying permissions, but it does not introduce a new technology, automation, or product that cannot be replicated by anyone following the same instructions. Because the solution relies on fragile file - system edits and permission changes, it is not durable across future Windows updates, and there is no defensible IP or unique value proposition beyond convenience for a niche, non - production use case.

Viability

meta/llama-4-maverick-17b-128e-instruct

8.0

“The workaround's reliance on modifying system files and bypassing TPM checks may introduce security risks or compatibility issues in the future.”

The idea is to create a tool or guide that automates or simplifies the process of upgrading Windows 11 VMs from 23H2 to 25H2 using the workaround described. The workaround involves modifying the Windows installation media and the VM's migration.xml file to bypass TPM-related issues. The technical complexity is moderate, as it requires understanding of Windows internals, XML editing, and potentially scripting. The time-to-build is estimated to be within 4-12 weeks for a solo or 2-person team, as it involves developing a tool or script to automate the workaround. The required talent includes Windows system administration, scripting, and potentially XML/XSLT expertise. The key challenges are ensuring the workaround is reliable, handling potential edge cases, and mitigating any security risks associated with modifying system files.

Market

qwen/qwen3-next-80b-a3b-instruct

7.0

“Sysadmins managing non-production Windows VMs are desperate for a safe, automated way to bypass TPM manifest upgrade failures - and will pay to avoid reimaging dozens of VMs manually.”

There is a real, measurable pain point among sysadmins and power users managing non-production Windows VMs (Hyper-V/Proxmox) stuck on 23H2 due to TPM manifest upgrade failures - a documented, widespread issue with no official Microsoft fix. Your workaround, while technically unsupported, solves a concrete, recurring problem: avoiding full reimaging of dozens of VMs. The audience is niche but highly motivated: IT professionals managing lab, dev, or legacy VM environments who value time over compliance. They're willing to pay for a script, GUI tool, or automated patch that safely removes the TPM manifest block without manual registry/file edits. The market size is small but concentrated - likely thousands of individuals and small businesses with VM-heavy setups who dread reimaging. The risk of tampering with WinSxS and TPM manifests is real (stability, security, future updates), but your use case (non-production) lowers the barrier to adoption. A commercial product could package your method as a 'Windows 25H2 VM Upgrade Patch Tool' with pre-tested manifests, permission restoration, and rollback. Monetization is viable via Gumroad, GitHub Sponsors, or enterprise licensing for IT teams. The unmet need isn't just technical - it's emotional: reducing frustration from Microsoft's opaque upgrade failures. Your solution works; the market exists; the willingness to pay is implied by the labor saved. But scaling requires automation and trust-building - not just documentation.

Risk

nvidia/llama-3.3-nemotron-super-49b-v1

2.0

“Bypassing TPM updates for a quick fix severely compromises security and compliance, setting the stage for severe consequences within a year.”

The proposed workaround for upgrading VMs from 23h2 to 25h2 by bypassing TPM updates introduces significant long-term risks. **Regulatory Non-Compliance** (Score: 8/10): Depending on the industry, bypassing security features like TPM could violate compliance standards (e.g., GDPR, HIPAA, PCI-DSS) that mandate the use of up-to-date security protocols. **Platform Risk** (Score: 9/10): Disabling TPM updates compromises the security posture of the VMs, making them vulnerable to attacks that TPM would otherwise mitigate, potentially leading to breaches. **Churn & No-Budget Customers** are less relevant here as this is an internal management issue. The workaround may provide short-term relief but sets up for potential catastrophic failures or non-compliance issues within 6-12 months. **Failure Modes** within 6-12 months: 1. **Security Breach Due to Lack of TPM**: Exploitation of unpatched TPM vulnerabilities. 2. **Regulatory Penalty**: Discovery of non-compliance during an audit. 3. **Irreversible System Corruption**: Long-term instability from modified system files.

Monetization

mistralai/mistral-nemotron(fallback #1)

7.0

“The workaround's technical complexity creates a monetization opportunity for a tool or service that simplifies the process for IT professionals.”

The idea addresses a niche but growing market of IT professionals and sysadmins struggling with Windows 11 25H2 upgrades on VMs. The workaround is technical and requires specific steps, which could be monetized through a premium tool or service that automates the process. Pricing could be tiered based on the number of VMs or the level of support provided. For example, a one-time fee of $50 for a basic tool or a subscription model at $20/month for ongoing support and updates. The conversion path would involve marketing through tech forums, social media, and targeted ads to reach the specific audience. The unit economics would need to account for the cost of developing and maintaining the tool, as well as customer support. The gross margin could be high if the tool is largely automated, but lower if significant manual support is required.

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